[Thinlinc-technical] More users / Less servers

Marcos de Souza Trazzini - Avancera marcos.trazzini at avancera.com.br
Wed Aug 12 18:19:01 CEST 2009

Hi there!

My comments inline...

> I don't know the details, but it could be that this person 
> for example runs an older GNOME version, plus, most likely 
> does not "surf the modern web".
> Btw, I just tried running GNOME on one or our systems and it 
> was quite easy to get down to 118 MiB. (In this case, I 
> removed non-essential programs such as Bluetooth support, 
> screensaver etc, plus the actual Xserver, so that only the 
> GNOME processes was counted.)
Check the other e-mail I´ve just sent...

> XP has been the "standard" VDI OS in the rest of the world as 
> well. The problem is just that it's obsolete: The ability to 
> buy support (even
> "extended") disappeared 1 month ago. I know that some 
> organizations doesn't care about this, but personally, I 
> would never build up a new infrastructure based on an 
> obsolete operating system.
Not really. Microsoft has extended Windows XP support lifecycle until 2014.
See: http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-gb&C2=1173

BTW, around 85% of Brazilian corporate Desktops still runs Windows XP, even
on new machines. Here is usual to buy Windows Vista machines and ask the OEM
to supply Windows XP instead.

> > (2) Windows 7 memory footprint is really (expressively!) lower than 
> > Vista,
> Perhaps, I haven't seen any real-world data yet.
I´ve installed the RC version on a Celeron 1.8Ghz with 1GB RAM and the
performance was quite impressive! There are some people here running on
Virtual Machines with only 512MB of RAM with good performance (OS + Office
2007). The same was impossible for Windows Vista.

Anyway, it is just the feeling, we don´t have any official benchmark yet.

> > and Microsoft also
> > claim to offer integrated solutions using Windows Server 2008 with 
> > Hyper-V that greatly reduces VDI guest OS memory consumption.
> Seeing is believing...
Yes, I agree, but coming from Microsoft...

> > In fact, when I mean a "standard" desktop, I mean a desktop 
> focused on 
> > general user needs over ThinLinc sessions, that is basically get 
> > access to their published applications, interact with files 
> and simple 
> > devices and
> Yes, but which applications? The resource requirements are 
> very different.
Forget about the applications for a while. The point here is that we should
provide a desktop that doesn´t drain up the server´s resources for itself,
letting some space for the applications.

> Please compare apples with apples. ThinLinc is not GNOME, and 
> ThinLinc is not Linux.
OK, but what can I do with ThinLinc without a Linux Desktop System? Being
just a gateway to WTS is not so attractive...

> One can argue, though, that some standard Linux desktop 
> consumes more memory than a similar Windows Terminal Server 
> session. This is probably true. A minimal WTS session is very 
> lean. But when you start adding applications, the difference 
> mostly evens out.
Again, lets forget about the applications and use just the desktop for
comparison. BTW, if we compare OpenOffice memory consumption with MS Office
2007 there will be a HUGE difference...

> If you want to run a Windows desktop instead of Linux one, 
> since this perhaps scales better with your application mix 
> (or for some other reason), feel free to do so with ThinLinc. 
> As you probably know, we have put a lot of effort into making 
> ThinLinc the best platform integration product. ThinLinc does 
> not restrict you to a certain desktop type or application 
> server operating system. Being able to mix applications and 
> platforms is one of the main features with our product.
But as I said, there´s not to many attractives on running ThinLinc as a WTS
gateway. I could get all the ThinLinc power when publishing a Linux desktop
that provides access to different platform applications. Otherwise, a WTS
2008 standalone solution is much more affordable, both considering hardware
and licensing costs together of alone.


Marcos S. Trazzini
ThinLinc Technical Manager
Avancera Brazil IT Services Ltda
Al Caiapós, 465 - Alphaville
Barueri - SP - Brazil
Cel +55 (11) 9941-0773
Tel +55 (11) 3522-8570
marcos.trazzini at avancera.com.br



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